Peter Vandenabeele
Placing the "allejobsinleuven.be" experiment "on-hold"
Update 2008-06-21:
I just posted my ideas for the 2.0 version of allejobsinLeuven, which are seriously based on the experiences from version 1.0 and the many nice feedbacks I got on this message, both in public and in private. So, this is churning, churning, churning : killing one idea and let it be the start of the next idea, hopefully better than version 1.0!
End of update
Let me start with a quote from How To Kill An Idea on FastCompany:
"... the success rate of innovation is not going to be 100 percent. If it’s 100 percent, you’re taking no risks."
Last year, I decided to take the risk, not run this as an after-hours project, but go full-force into trying to set-up the site based on the simple idea of a "telephone directory" for jobs in a certain region and then building additional services on top of that.
I still believe it has value to job seekers to have a clean, complete, searchable, tagged list of all jobs (and employers) in a certain region available. And on top of this platform, employers can build their brand and differentiate, preferably based on user generated content that gives far more credibility to the words than a classic marketing campaign where the quality of the campaign depends mostly on the creativity of the designers (and hence the amount of money spent on the campaign).
But since the launch (around Feb 2008), I miss the "traction" in the project. I see very little feedback from users, no consistent growth of the amounts of visitors (typically 40 to 100 unique visits/day, mostly on Monday morning) and also very few hard results from the few employers that paid symbolic amounts for sponsoring (they do get some hits on their job pages, but no real candidates explicitly referring to the job site). Update 12 June 2008: exactly today, I got feedback from a sponsor that he got a first serious candidate applying for a job based on the site. If you know the price/performance ratio's that are paid on other media to even get a few serious applications for an open position in IT, this sponsor surely got value for his money.
Because of this lack of "traction" I now decided to put the allejobsinleuven.be experiment on-hold. For now, the site will show a static list of employers in the Leuven region, but that is far less interesting than seeing the fully updated list of all jobs in the region.
The problem was certainly not technical. Ruby on Rails fulfilled on all it's promises. With a little help from specialists at start-up, it allowed me to quickly build the first prototype application. The application was stable and I did not hit any bugs or security risks in the Rails platform (of course the application has known and unknown bugs, but these are in my application, not in Rails). Hosting was also very easy on a Virtual Private Server at Openminds.
The problem was also not really on the financial side. I could have poured more money into the project (or asked others to invest their money), but I never wrote a full financial plan because I missed the "traction" and didn't want to spoil other people's money in a project where I was not longer 100% convinced myself.
My current view is that for some reason, up to now, I missed the "killer app" that would make users come back again and again, tell about it to their friends and even talk about it to their current or new employers.
As for myself, I am looking for a new project from August 2008. So, if you believe I could be useful on your project as a freelancer, drop me a line. As it looks now, I will be quite busy for a while, but you're still welcome to call me of course.
Anyway, I surely enjoyed the experiment and learned a lot.
Last but not least, many thanks for the help I did get from quite some friends.
Anonymous wrote:
Allejobsinleuven.be was setup and was running fine, the 'big' startup cost/effort behind you. Why not let it run as it was, and once in a while give it some attention after hours ? I can't imagine the running costs to be that high, or is my thinking too simplistic ?
Willem M
P.S.: I was a bit disappointed to find the 'werkgevers' page this morning and not the 'jobsearch' page.
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»Anonymous wrote:
Hi Peter,
can't recall the site exactly. But what I think makes sense is doing wat http://www.zimmo.be/ does for Immo .. something like this for jobs.
Anyway: pick up the beat man :)
Steven Verbruggen
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»Anonymous wrote:
It takes guts and passion to jump into the deep end try to turn an idea into a business. Too bad it didn't turn out the way you hoped.
Still, I'm sure it was an interesting experience on several levels. In any case, your writing about it has been interesting and insightful. I'd love to hear more about it one day. Feel like a coffee or a bear soonish?
I'm curious to see what you'll be up to next. Good luck.
Joeri
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»Anonymous wrote:
Hey Peter,
it takes bravery to kill ones own darlings, so good on you about that. Obviously, such a decision takes people by surprise, as did it with me. Maybe you got stuck with the local Leuven scene for too long, and should have branched out sooner, but then again, I'm pretty sure that would have required more above the line communication and real life networking/prospection than what you could financially or time-wise afford.
Regarding the painful scraping process - I can only agree. For me, it's proof that sometimes processes can better be optimized with hard work and real resources rather than with computer code.
I'm sure your next venture will be as exciting and interesting as this one - looking forward to it!
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»Anonymous wrote:
These are a few responses I gave on twitter:
@frank_be @toonight the problem I see is the investment to scrape all jobs in a region versus the slow build-up of community and revenue.
need to find something that is either more automated (using an open XML standard on employers side for job postings would allow that), or ..
need to find a model where investment goes more in parallel with amount of "transactions" (like a "classic" job site).
build it and they will come" is a nice theory, but I prefer to put in my money more carefully and see real results before spending more ...
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»Anonymous wrote:
Sad to hear Peter! I would have been your customer if you ever launched allejobsingent.be!
I hope you enjoy your next adventure! Frank
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»Anonymous wrote:
Hi Peter,
I checked the site (got to know it via Twitter) and I have a few remarks about it, wich could explain why the site didn't get the traction you were hoping for.
1) the design doesn't look professional. A bit of creativity is nice but it's a very uncommon colorscheme (certainly for a jobsite).
2) when you visit the site you get a list of the company name + link to jobdetails (external) + link to company website (external) + link to company details (internal)
for someone looking for a job, this says means little to nothing. People look for certain jobs, not (much) for specific companies. It would help a lot to have the jobtitle in that list (and make it the first element in the list). Adding the jobtitle will do 2 things:
** People will see what kind of jobs are offered instead of which company offers a job.
** You will be able to rank in searchengines on the keywords in the jobtitles. You can even increase SEO by making the jobtitle link to the companydetails page instead of the current "details"-link.
3) The site needs to be seriously reviewed by a SEO-er. I've given some tips above but it could be much better. Links to external sites could have rel=nofollow and things like that.
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»Anonymous wrote:
Sorry for the confusion, but your review above is for the current "on-hold" page that indeed offers very limited value to visitors.
The real value was in the jobs page that had about a 1000 direct jobs (all jobs had the full name and address of the employers, as opposed to many classic job sites) fully searchable.
The problem was that the job listing was becoming out of date, so it was not sensible to keep that aging list of jobs online (with an increasing amount being out of sync with the actual sites).
If you really want to review, I can give you a password to review the real "jobs" site. Let me know in private and I will try to set that up.
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